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11:15, 29 November 2017

New York Today: New York Today: A Quest to Define ‘Upstate’

New York These days: New York Today: A Quest to Define ‘Upstate’


Good morning on this unseasonably warm Wednesday.

At what point along the 300-mile journey from New York City to the Canadian border would you think about oneself “upstate”?

Ask 3 New Yorkers, and you are bound to get four different answers.

Some say upstate begins exactly where Metro-North ends a few cheeky Lower Manhattanites have told us it’s anyplace north of 14th Street.

We recently set off in search of a suitable definition, and started by reaching out to Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s office.

“No public official worth their salt would ever get in the middle of that one!” Rich Azzopardi, a spokesman for the governor, wrote in an email. He added that the workplace viewed New York as 10 distinct regions, “each with its distinctive regional economy, its own strengths.”

A diplomatic answer, but an unhelpful one.

State law wasn’t significantly use either. “Upstate” is mentioned a number of times in existing state law, but with a distinct definition practically every single time.

We turned to The Related Press Stylebook, the arbiter of journalistic disputes, which advised that the term typically refers to anyplace in the state north of Westchester County. (The Times’s own stylebook doesn’t dare take on the subject.)

The most telling answer came from New Yorkers themselves. Final year, Public Policy Polling asked New Yorkers, “What do you consider very best defines upstate New York?”

The benefits showed divisions that look insurmountable: 25 % mentioned everything north of New York City 29 % stated every little thing north of Westchester County 22 % stated everything north of Poughkeepsie 7 percent stated almost everything north of Poughkeepsie, excluding the Buffalo area 9 % gave other answers and 7 % said they weren’t positive.

One particular man who has provided the debate a lot of thought is Marcus Molinaro, the county executive for Dutchess County, the northernmost point serviced by the M.T.A. and the county at times referred to as where upstate meets downstate.

All through New York’s political history, Mr. Molinaro said, downstate and upstate have generally been utilised to describe the political, cultural and demographic variations between two places: “New York City and not New York City.”

But the line has blurred more than time.

“As New York City residents moved further outdoors of the city, and nevertheless maintained a relationship with the city, the line of upstate has moved further and additional north,” he stated. He added that more than the last ten years the upstate-downstate line had moved to Poughkeepsie from Beacon, and in an additional decade he expects it to be north of Dutchess County.

As our search started to feel futile, we turned to Jon Campbell, a reporter for the USA These days Network, who has turn out to be the unofficial moderator of the upstate-downstate debate, often taking the subject head-on with the #WhereIsUpstate hashtag on Twitter.

“I’m at peace with it that there is no correct or incorrect answer,” he told us. “Upstate is exactly where you really feel it is in your heart.”

Here’s what else is taking place:


Where else but downstate would a New Yorker be searching at sunny skies and a toasty higher close to 60 at the end of November?

We’re confused, but not complaining.

It is not going to final, though. Temperatures are forecast to drop tomorrow.

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Kenneth Turner’s commute takes, on average, two hours every single way.CreditGregg Vigliotti for The New York Times

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A Harlem state senator is asking the Commission of Correction to look into violence at Rikers Island, after a captain at the jail complicated was attacked by inmates last week. [New York Every day News]

Staten Island’s North Shore is experiencing a developing boom. [Wall Street Journal]

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For a worldwide look at what’s happening, see Your Morning Briefing.

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Let the holidays start. Gwen Stefani and others execute at the Rockefeller Center Tree lighting in Midtown Manhattan. Beginning at 7 p.m. [Free of charge]

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A dance overall performance, “Ideal Piranha” at The Chocolate Factory in Lengthy Island City, Queens. eight p.m. [$20]

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And Lastly …

The Henry Hudson Bridge more than Spuyten Duyvil Creek, upstate to some.CreditEmon Hassan for The New York Occasions

Neglect the politicians and the polls: Who knows more about New York than New York Today’s readers?

We recently asked for your definitions of exactly where upstate begins. Right here are some of the responses:

“A functioning definition of exactly where upstate begins: Exactly where people quit saying ‘my bodega’ and begin saying ‘my Wegmans.’”

— Alan Oberst, 40, Decrease Manhattan

“When I went to college I was offended when my friends from Lengthy Island and the city referred to northern Westchester as upstate. Then when I moved to the city, and now reduced Westchester, I refer to anything north of me as upstate. Sorry, not sorry.”

— Paul Persichette, 32, Bronxville, N.Y.

“Upstate certainly starts when individuals say all their tax funds goes to support New York City.”

— Stephen Stelzner, 72, Huntington, N.Y.

“Upstate for me is that moment I travel beyond exit 15 on the Thruway, feel a sudden sense of relaxation come over me, and take in the ever-escalating beauty as I continue north, wherever my journey might take me.”

— Lori Rocker, 52, Basking Ridge, N.J.

“I reside in Inwood. It is the last cease north on the A train. I have heard my neighborhood referred to as ‘upstate Manhattan.’”

— Susan Newell, 68, Inwood

“Battery Park is upstate to me. I’ve lived on Staten Island my entire life — it is that small dot of land that lies straight under the complete state of New York.”

— Susan Amesse, 59, Staten Island

Exactly where do you consider upstate New York begins? Let us know in the comments.

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Published at Wed, 29 Nov 2017 11:00:02 +0000

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